Oliver Bertuch (Mar 21 2023 at 17:23): Oliver Bertuch (Mar 21 2023 at 17:23):There was some discussion today regarding translations of Dataverse. The Weblate idea seams dead and there are not many great OSS projects for translation management around. Should we ask https://lilt.com/academic for support?
Oliver Bertuch (Mar 21 2023 at 17:29):I also found 1 (!) other tool that explicitly supports OSS projects: https://tolgee.io/pricing
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Mar 21 2023 at 17:55):Yes. Yesterday during the frontend meeting I mentioned that there is a need to support right to left languages down to the level of button placement.
Don Sizemore (Mar 21 2023 at 18:07):I think that grant proposal has been submitted!
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Mar 21 2023 at 18:12):@Don Sizemore are there enough buttons below that we can go ahead and create that issue?
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Don Sizemore (Mar 21 2023 at 18:34):all you need is one.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Mar 21 2023 at 18:38):@Don Sizemore can you please ask your guy to give us the strings? Just in an email or whatever. I'm not asking or anyone to touch the git repo.
Don Sizemore (Mar 21 2023 at 18:39):I did, but he's at RDA this week.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Mar 21 2023 at 18:39):Ah. No rush.
Guillermo Portas (Mar 22 2023 at 08:34):I agree to create the issue!
@Philip Durbin As for what you mention about whether there are enough buttons to start the right to left support, I have a few concerns:
When does the proposal stakeholders expect the right to left functionality to be ready? (I mean, released for production use) We are still in the initial phase of developing the MVP of the SPA.
It may be a good time to consider right to left support in the SPA, since we are now defining the initial UI components and their behavior, but this would affect the scope of the MVP, which is to replicate part of the existing functionality, not add new one (Sticking to the initial planning, this would be a Post-MVP project).
We need to understand how the right to left support fits into the SPA development timeline. We can talk about this at the weekly frontend meeting tomorrow. I would like to know what Stefano thinks about this.
On the other hand (And this is more for the future), while changing the button orientation seems simple, I would ask for some mockups or wireframes before development.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Mar 22 2023 at 11:28):Yes, let's absolutely discuss more. My thought was to create the issue after we can create screenshots showing our "hello Dataverse" page with the buttons mirrored and in a right to left language. The screenshots would make the situation much more clear (than no screenshots) and would be a visual we could keep in our minds as we design the components.
I think we're in violent agreement. :happy: I'm just thinking some screenshots in an issue that would be addressed post-MVP would be nice.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Mar 22 2023 at 20:25):All I really want in an issue is a couple screenshots to make it super clear what we're talking about in terms of button placement etc. I'd say we could use these from Facebook, rather than creating our own Dataverse-specific screenshots:
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They're from https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2017/11/right-to-left-mobile-design/
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 11:35):I meant to share this one a while ago: "The Turing Way" uses https://crowdin.com to manage translations. They do have a free plan for public projects...
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 11:36):@Slava Tykhonov @Philip Durbin I had a someone from the #community-i18n-de reach out to me - they did a translation for 5.13 to de_DE and want to share this with upstream. What are the latest things to point people to for l10n of DV?
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 11:41):Hmm, maybe recently merged PRs: https://github.com/GlobalDataverseCommunityConsortium/dataverse-language-packs/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Amerged
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 11:44):@Don Sizemore you wrote https://groups.google.com/g/dataverse-community/c/yskq1C-nxJs/m/WXbz2fG2AQAJ a while ago... Any progress since then?
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 11:47):Oh, you're more asking about the status of Weblate, I guess.
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 11:48):I'm completely uninvolved in the l10n activity, so I have no idea what's actually going on
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 11:50):I mean, pull requests are being merged. To me that's important.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 11:50):But more and better tools would probably be helpful.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 11:51):I'd suggest reading https://guides.dataverse.org/en/6.0/installation/config.html#internationalization
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 11:52):https://preview.guides.gdcc.io/en/develop/installation/config.html#tools-for-translators includes a video
Don Sizemore (Oct 27 2023 at 11:57):Oliver Bertuch said:
Don Sizemore you wrote https://groups.google.com/g/dataverse-community/c/yskq1C-nxJs/m/WXbz2fG2AQAJ a while ago... Any progress since then?
We last left off in Braga. Weblate will host open source translation projects for free, provided that the associated GitHub repo live in the same org as the parent OSS project. Jim and Gustavo wanted the translations to continue to live in the community repo, however, so Gustavo was going to contact Weblate to ask if they'd still host us for free. Gustavo was going to do this because he's the lead software architect and has a Harvard e-mail address.
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 12:01):@Don Sizemore I see. Would it make sense to take a look at alternative tools? (Like Crowdin)
Don Sizemore (Oct 27 2023 at 12:13):Oliver Bertuch said:
Don Sizemore I see. Would it make sense to take a look at alternative tools? (Like Crowdin)
Sounds fine by me, though at a glance I didn't find the terms of their "generous open source plan"
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 12:14):Not especially generous, no
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 12:14):I'm happy to send an email from my Harvard address if it helps.
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 12:15):
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 12:15):We probably don't need more than 1 source branch...
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 12:17):Also:
Yes. If you want to use Crowdin for an Open Source project, sign up for a free account, set up your project and send us a request. Apply for an Academic License if your project has educational purposes. Each granted license will include an unlimited number of projects, strings, and members.
https://crowdin.com/page/open-source-project-setup-request https://crowdin.com/page/academic-license-project-setup-request
Before submitting this form, please ensure that your project meets the following criteria:
You have created a translation project in Crowdin.
The project is licensed under an approved license from an open-source initiative.
Your project's source code is publicly available for download.
You do not have any commercial products related to the open-source project you are requesting a license for.
You are the project lead.
You have been working on your open-source project for at least three months.
You have an active community of collaborators.
You keep the "News" section of your website up to date.
You release updated builds on a regular basis.
So no restrictions with regards to where sources are located I suppose
Oliver Bertuch (Oct 27 2023 at 12:21):Maybe this is the reason why such a large project as Turing Way is using their service... They probably have a lot more than 60.000 words :-D
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 12:39):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiIxney3ORU is the video I was thinking of
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 12:43):What about translating the new React frontend? Does it matter what tool we use?
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 12:46):There's also https://groups.google.com/g/dataverse-internationalization-wg
Don Sizemore (Oct 27 2023 at 17:09):Philip Durbin said:
What about translating the new React frontend? Does it matter what tool we use?
The last I heard, the JSON structures weren't ready yet? (if they are, I'm interested)
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 27 2023 at 17:46):Let's see some Arabic.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 09 2025 at 20:37):I just created a doc called Internationalization (i18n) in Dataverse. Feedback is welcome! My goal has been to try to understand the various ways we support i18n in Dataverse across various features and subsystems. There's quite a variety!
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 16 2025 at 15:35):@Oliver Bertuch @Don Sizemore @Eryk Kulikowski the plan is to talk about this doc and i18n in general, including for the SPA, at next week's tech hours (Oct 21)
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 16 2025 at 15:56):I just posted about it here: https://groups.google.com/g/dataverse-internationalization-wg/c/x_YSgznx3E8/m/cXUy1MhSAAAJ
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 16 2025 at 15:57):@Slava Tykhonov I bet you'd be interested as well.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 16 2025 at 15:58):@Amber Leahey or @Bikram maybe you can let Jayanthy know.
Philip Durbin 🚀 (Oct 21 2025 at 20:00):We took some notes if anyone is interested! https://docs.google.com/document/d/19XH9PUSRDIsF0_OkB0kJ1g7HEJTGmxdJOfCXadlN-CI/edit?usp=sharing
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